Comments on: Star Wars – The Environmentalists Version

By: Jamie

Jamie — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:43:48 +0000

A lot of people like to get right down to violence vs peace, think about it, pick a side, and not look at the variables involved in the arguments that Jensen presents.

But no one, in their emotional pleas for peace, brings up any peaceful movements that have accomplished anything at all. Anything at all. And no one chooses to address the historical peace movements that Jensen brings to the discussion, which would have accomplished nothing without the physical resistance that took place simultaneously. As in, http://submedia.tv/endciv/2010/08/01/pacifying-resistance/ it is clearly argued that the peace activist heroes of our day simply rewrite history, to avoid debating the real mechanisms of change at the time, that actually took place.

By: Justine Naive

Justine Naive — Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:32:06 +0000

This is narrated by Jensen who thinks it is inevitable that most of the people on the planet will die in nasty ways – and that anyone who tries to prevent this is stupid, naive and will destroy the planet. Of course, he thinks movement building and strategy is futile – except for the movement that he has the strategy and the goals all lined up for. But uncoordinated urban gardening and the like is good – not as good as blowing stuff up randomly, but good.

The plot gets a bit more complex when you see the whole movie . . . the heroes burn or blow up all the cities, factories and bicycles and that causes the death star to implode and 12% of the population lives happily ever after (after eating the other 88% that is). Hey, that would be a movie!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:58:53 +0000

Well this got a few fingers wagging.

I don’t reckon we can criticise the ideas, by criticising the one who verbalises them. Yeah, maybe this motherfucker is not on the front line throwing cherry-bombs. But what he says rings true with some of those who are, and most are not hypocritical. You can criticise the ideas, but not the man, because he’s just some schmuck, not an idealised super-man.

By: Namo Lundeen

Namo Lundeen — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:32:22 +0000

I’m going to side with Mr. Frank Gubasta. I’ve noticed that a lot of people like Jenson talk a really big game when it comes to property destruction, and yet so few of them actually carry out the acts themselves. They prefer to let others do their dirty work for them and face all the legal consequences.

You can knock non-violent civil disobedience all you want. At least those that engage in it practice what they preach. They preach non-violence as a means to social change, and they live by it. People like Jenson never seem to actually practice what they preach. They just go tour around talking and making money while others listen to their rhetoric and go to prison for them.

Tell me Jenson, how would the Black Bloc have dealt with the Death Star? All I’ve ever seen from them is a few broken windows and some overturned dumpsters. Is that what they would have done to the Death Star? Would they have run through it’s hallways dumping garbage as they went, maybe occasionally smashing a window? And you’re going to tell me that that’s so much more effective that what civil disobedience has accomplished?

You know, if there’s one lesson we should learn from the RNC it’s that the government WANTS us to be violent. That’s why they attempt to entrap us into making bombs. That’s why they send in provocateurs. That’s why when the police attack a peaceful crowd with tear gas and pepper spray, they can say, “The anarchists done gone made me done it!”

I’m not really in the habit of policing other people’s protest tactics. If you absolutely feel you have to engage in property destruction, well then have at it. But Jenson can take his civil disobedience critique and shove it up his hypocritical ass. Have a nice day y’all and keep fighting the power. But be fucking smart about. Peace.

By: Gary Voss

Gary Voss — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 03:50:42 +0000

If we simply toilet train the world, we won’t need to change a thing. It’s that simple! Let’s be the change we want to see!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24036873/Please-Support-the-Green-Aid-Project

By: dane842

dane842 — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:13:00 +0000

Jensen also talks about not getting caught, there are lots of ways to get caught when using the internet, talking to strangers and publicizing the things you do to put your money where your mouth is.

By: Frank Gubasta

Frank Gubasta — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:31:14 +0000

i listened to a talk jensen gave where he said a certain cell phone tower needs to be taken down and the surrounding empty parking lot torn up and a vegetable garden planted. i e-mailed him calling him on it. i said: when you’re ready to start taking the tower down, i’ll come to the site with a pick and shovel and some seeds and start ripping up the asphalt surrounding the tower. of course i never heard back from him. he talks a big game (a talktivist – not an activist) urging others to do things that would land them in prison. i also heard him being questioned by someone regarding acts of sabotage (blowing things up) and he said i’m a good and fast writer (and not very modest i might add) but i’m not good with explosives (let’s leave prison for someone else who’s got the balls – [anyone can learn the 'art' of using TNT or molotov cocktails if they truly wanted to]). while he seems genuinely concerned about the state of the ecosystem, i’d like just once to see him do something like jeffrey ‘free’ luers did (burn up some suv’s and got 20 odd years for his courage), instead of urging others to do said acts and keeping his own hands clean and out of prison. people like him need to be called on for their bullshit, and just maybe the bastard is on the FBI payroll as an agents provocateur.
you want the towers to come down and parking lots ripped up then get rid of your cars and your cell phones. as gandhi said “be the change you want to see in the world.”

The Final Solution: http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/26597

By: Jen

Jen — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:27:09 +0000

hmm, irony, double edged, it must really hurt, hope you are alright. don’t know if it is the film or the screen, but some are not looking too good, would be good to embrace health, eat better, drink water

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