Comments on: Journalism or Propaganda? http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/ Tue, 22 May 2012 18:28:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Pito http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/#comment-240 Pito Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:27:24 +0000 http://submedia.tv/stimulator/?p=223#comment-240 These events involve a lot of mutual cock-holding. Pseudo-intellectual liberals repulse me more than the masters they serve. The real fucking question should have been why the hell was the coverage of SubMedia wasnt on every TV and radio show in the country? (We all know why) These events involve a lot of mutual cock-holding. Pseudo-intellectual liberals repulse me more than the masters they serve.

The real fucking question should have been why the hell was the coverage of SubMedia wasnt on every TV and radio show in the country? (We all know why)

]]> By: Ground Noise and Static and an update on my recent arrest | The Political Whore http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/#comment-239 Ground Noise and Static and an update on my recent arrest | The Political Whore Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:13:42 +0000 http://submedia.tv/stimulator/?p=223#comment-239 [...] it all went down during the protests in St. Paul. You can see an interesting excerpt from the panel here and watch the first 30 minutes of the discussion [...] [...] it all went down during the protests in St. Paul. You can see an interesting excerpt from the panel here and watch the first 30 minutes of the discussion [...]

]]> By: radioroxanne http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/#comment-238 radioroxanne Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:25:25 +0000 http://submedia.tv/stimulator/?p=223#comment-238 Thought you'd like these excerpts and quotes, apropo to this nonsense: "...For as always and everywhere post-commitment intellectuals like Lévy find themselves in the blind alley of having to try to justify social injustice...Given his impeccable credentials as an elegant counter-revolutionary, it should come as no surprise that Henri-Lévy, thick central casting Hollywood French accent and all, is warmly received, some would say fawned upon in the most distinguished precincts of the American media establishment, from the intellectually clueless Charlie Rose to the pseudo-left gnomes at NPR.... "... For example, writers and journalists. Are they mere intellectuals as was Borges, or intelligentsia? According to the Russian Communist theorist Georgy Plekhanov, “the belief in art for art’s sake arises when artists and people keenly interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social environment.” Art for art’s sake is the attempt to instill ideal life in one who has no real life. Authoritarian systems rely on compromised writers to portray false images because they fear the truthful portrayal of reality. The compromised writer follows the victors. Conformity and opportunism go hand in hand. "...As the great Gabriel García Márquez taught his journalism students, above all you must learn to be partial...." "...• No honest journalist-writer can allow himself to be unbiased and objective. After all, few of us are academics. "...• Besides, impartial to what? To lies? To rampant hypocrisy? To swindles? From the article: Definitions: The Intelligentsia By Gaither Stewart Posted on September 27, 2008 by dandelionsalad http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/definitions-the-intelligentsia-by-gaither-stewart/ Thought you’d like these excerpts and quotes, apropo to this nonsense:
“…For as always and everywhere post-commitment intellectuals like Lévy find themselves in the blind alley of having to try to justify social injustice…Given his impeccable credentials as an elegant counter-revolutionary, it should come as no surprise that Henri-Lévy, thick central casting Hollywood French accent and all, is warmly received, some would say fawned upon in the most distinguished precincts of the American media establishment, from the intellectually clueless Charlie Rose to the pseudo-left gnomes at NPR….

“… For example, writers and journalists. Are they mere intellectuals as was Borges, or intelligentsia? According to the Russian Communist theorist Georgy Plekhanov, “the belief in art for art’s sake arises when artists and people keenly interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social environment.” Art for art’s sake is the attempt to instill ideal life in one who has no real life. Authoritarian systems rely on compromised writers to portray false images because they fear the truthful portrayal of reality. The compromised writer follows the victors. Conformity and opportunism go hand in hand.

“…As the great Gabriel García Márquez taught his journalism students, above all you must learn to be partial….”

“…• No honest journalist-writer can allow himself to be unbiased and objective. After all, few of us are academics.

“…• Besides, impartial to what? To lies? To rampant hypocrisy? To swindles?

From the article: Definitions: The Intelligentsia By Gaither Stewart Posted on September 27, 2008 by dandelionsalad
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/definitions-the-intelligentsia-by-gaither-stewart/

]]> By: acumensch http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/#comment-237 acumensch Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:12:09 +0000 http://submedia.tv/stimulator/?p=223#comment-237 Thank you SubMedia for posting this video and thanks to GlassBead for rolling the tapes. It looks like it was a room hall-full of cops and cop sympathizers. We were not invited to this meeting, so I assume we are now left to defend our point of view from afar. And - SubMedia and the PepperSpray collective are two distinct media entities. PepperSpray is a collective (an organization w/o formalized hierarchy) with television and internet shows based out of Seattle; SubMedia is produces its own show (which PepperSpray always looks forward to playing on "Indymedia Presents") and is based out of Vancouver BC. I noticed the speaker pointed to a producer we know from FSTV (not PepperSpray) and asked us to notice his camera. Well what is that supposed to mean? This man, ladies and gentlmen, is not a professional like us? There were too many unstated assumptions from what I could tell, and the panel members seemed apprehensive about responding to his classist questioning. That was the whole point, it seemed, to make the case for legally hierarchical distinctions between "PepperSpray journalists" (wtf?), "citizen journalists" and "professionals". Thank you SubMedia for posting this video and thanks to GlassBead for rolling the tapes. It looks like it was a room hall-full of cops and cop sympathizers. We were not invited to this meeting, so I assume we are now left to defend our point of view from afar.

And – SubMedia and the PepperSpray collective are two distinct media entities. PepperSpray is a collective (an organization w/o formalized hierarchy) with television and internet shows based out of Seattle; SubMedia is produces its own show (which PepperSpray always looks forward to playing on “Indymedia Presents”) and is based out of Vancouver BC.

I noticed the speaker pointed to a producer we know from FSTV (not PepperSpray) and asked us to notice his camera. Well what is that supposed to mean? This man, ladies and gentlmen, is not a professional like us? There were too many unstated assumptions from what I could tell, and the panel members seemed apprehensive about responding to his classist questioning. That was the whole point, it seemed, to make the case for legally hierarchical distinctions between “PepperSpray journalists” (wtf?), “citizen journalists” and “professionals”.

]]> By: Peti http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/#comment-236 Peti Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:12:29 +0000 http://submedia.tv/stimulator/?p=223#comment-236 This is good. They used to assassinate those who talked out and/or opposed. But that assassinations raised so called "conspiracy theories". So instead of assassinations they discredit now. With FSTV picking up the show you're reaching a lot of people and opening their eyes. At the very least you became a major nuisance maybe even a threat to them! Now they are trying to discredit you! Congrats and keep it going!!! This is good. They used to assassinate those who talked out and/or opposed. But that assassinations raised so called “conspiracy theories”. So instead of assassinations they discredit now. With FSTV picking up the show you’re reaching a lot of people and opening their eyes. At the very least you became a major nuisance maybe even a threat to them! Now they are trying to discredit you! Congrats and keep it going!!!

]]> By: delete_all_files http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/#comment-235 delete_all_files Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:35:59 +0000 http://submedia.tv/stimulator/?p=223#comment-235 the mind reels. the mind reels.

]]> By: cucumber http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/09/23/journalism-or-propaganda/#comment-234 cucumber Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:33:37 +0000 http://submedia.tv/stimulator/?p=223#comment-234 Those eyes and that mouth look familiar. Those eyes and that mouth look familiar.

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